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Riddim's analogy of the influences of our fathers on our speech patterns as children is a good one. I've even heard adults adopt speech patterns from other influential adults.
I can't imagine not emulating the best in music. But, there is a time to emulate and there is a time to be creative with the lessons we've learned from our heroes.
Do you think Vinnie would sound like he does if he hadn't spent a lot of time studying the drumming of Steve Gadd, Tony Williams, and Stewart Copeland?
Seriously, I wouldn't worry about this stuff. I've yet to hear any drummer whose playing I'd confuse with Vinnie's (no matter how hard that drummer may be trying to emulate him).
The key is to not limit yourself. Don't JUST study Vinnie. Also study other great drummers, and listen to a wide variety of music. I always tell young drummers, if you don't want to sound like all the other drummers you know, BUY SOME DIFFERENT RECORDS.
Despite many drummers' efforts, nobody has really pulled off the cloning thing. There is no big name who's a "Steve Gadd clone" or a "Vinnie clone." But there are pros whose influences are obvious, if you yourself are familiar enough with drumming history. Gadd blends Elvin and Tony with some incredible pop and funk sensibilities, and delivers it all with the precision of a drum corps drummer. What a cool combination!
Studying the playing of great players will never hurt you. Your playing will only be hurt if you limit yourself. But if that happens, that's YOU doing that, not the drummers you admire.
Mr. A.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">um..... no you didn't. Unless you want to bugger up ANOTHER thread!Quote:
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That's my thoughts on his statement.
Had to do it
Dawg..
Nice post there Acrolite, couldn't agree more [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
First time i saw the topic I was like. "oh oh, somebody got mails from Vinnie because they're downloading legs from Easytree? " You really made me pee in my pants there man! [img]mad.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]
I agree 100% with you Dazzler. Not learning from the greats is ridiculous and stupid advice. If that's the approach one is going to take, then throw out your drum vid's, books, dvd's and try and forget all the good advice your teacher's gave you. It after all, was largely derived from their lessons, observations and life experiences. By all means, don't learn rudimental warmups, drum solo's, or use the either traditional or matched grip or get any ideas from someone else. Make it all up yourself. For that matter, what are you doing on this message board? Get off now. Otherwise, you might learn something!
Brad
I would have to disagree with this statement.
If we think that music is a language, which I heard from Victor Wooten, when we are young, we need to learn off other people the English language if we are to speak it fluently.
We should apply the same concept musically, that in order to speak fluently at first, then we need to learn off other people, and people like Vinnie isn't a bad place to start!
Go to www.mikedolbear.co.uk, type in Omar Hakim in the search box and see the web chat that I had with Omar Hakim, he said that when he first started playing drums, he would listen to other drummers and emulate the greats. Then eventually he developed his own style, and what a style he developed! I can't argue with him!
So I wouldn't say it's pathetic to emulate your heroes.
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Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Pe ace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,
Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Peace,Pe ace.
That's my thoughts on his statement.
Had to do it [img]smile.gif[/img]
Dawg..
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 13, 2005 06:27 PM: Message edited by: Steve Holmes ]</font>
As long as you don't peace him off. (How boring was that?!)
You know, I've noticed a lot of these "controversial" or "troll-like" threads(this one's not a troll) mostly come from newcomers to the forum with like 1 or 2 posts. Not that anyone with one or two posts wouldn't have anything valid to say, but it's easy for me to visualize someone stumbling upon the site and then starting some s#$t and then going away forever...so I don't bother responding. They're usually very young-sounding as well. I definitely wouldn't get worked up about anything they say...it's like that "fusion is for the ego" piece...I just sit back and chuckle like I'm watching another Virgil/Lng clone video...
Of course, I always find Dazzler's posts entertaining...and the more animated the better... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Fantastic post Vdrummer. [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]biggrin.gif[/img]